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关于 OpenQ 能否并入 gaim ,在 gaim-devel 的邮件列表(http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=9587)里已经被讨论过了,主要围绕的问题是: 1. OpenQ 与中国有关法律是否抵触。 2. 关于代码是否通过反编译获得。3. 关于客户端上是否应提供 T****** 的广告的问题。
见 http://sourceforge.net/mailarchi ... 8&forum_id=9587
由于最近 sourceforge 的归档可能出现一些问题,现在只能看到 4月4日之前的,之后的邮件都无法看到,故我将我收到的这个邮件列表里有关这一主题的回复整理出来,供大家参考(上面链接里能看到的就不重复贴出了):
- From:
- "Timo Pykalainen" <timo_pykalainen@hotmail.com> | Block Address | Add to Contacts
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- [email]zxj@gnuctt.net[/email]
- Cc:
- [email]gaim-devel@lists.sourceforge.net[/email]
- Date: 20 Apr 2004, 12:21:44 AM
- Subject: RE: [Gaim-devel] Re: Chinese Tencent QQ protocol?
- >From: "Zheng XiaoJun" <zxj@gnuctt.net>
- >To: [email]gaim-devel@lists.sourceforge.net[/email]
- >Subject: [Gaim-devel] Re: Chinese Tencent QQ protocol?
- >Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 14:45:03 GMT
- >
- >
- >
- > Ka-Hing Cheung wrote:
- >
- > > Oh, I agree 100% that it should be legal. Even though I don't use
- qq if someone
- > > wants to work out a gaim plugin based on that I think it would be
- cool.
- > >
- > > Out of curiorisity, anyone know why the previos QQ plugin was
- deemed illegal?
- >
- >
- > "Tencet Inc. forced him to give up the development". That is
- >just a guess made by other people. Neither Tencet Inc. nor
- >ZouDan confirmed it. Even if this guess was right, we can only
- >infer from it that the plugin had affected Tencet's profit, not
- >that it had breaked Chinese laws.
- >
- > ZouDan's qq plugin(libqq), which is based on gaim, is not free
- >software, but gaim is GPL'd. As I know, many Chinese say that
- >ZouDan's GaimQQ(Gaim + libqq) is illegal because they think it
- >broke GPL.
- >
- I also though that the libqq was illegal because it broke the GPL not that
- breaking some other laws.
- However I think the general relationship between e.g. Gaim and some IM
- protocol owner such as ICQ or Tencent QQ is more interesting. For instance
- QQ provides the IM access for 'free' by delivering advertisments to the
- users, so I think the gaim or the QQ-plugin could include an option to see
- these advertisements, then the owners of the IM-protocols wouldn't have the
- need to block out e.g. gaim users (in case they were so evil).
- I would like to see a framework for advertisement deliveries (of course an
- optional plug-in or something). Anyway I suppose some people might even want
- to see advertisements provided by the IM companies. Moreover users could be
- 'forced' to see advertisements by the IM provider by including a password or
- a code in the delivered advertisment messages that would activate the IM
- account.
- What do you think about this? Anyway this way the users could get the access
- to the IM-network with mutually beneficially way (the company would have
- their business and the users could choose their favourite GPL IM client).
- And the companies might be more cooperative with the OS community. Anyway
- the business is not in the protocol itself.
- I think the issue of legality is not about the protocol or client themselves
- but in the usage of the company's resources (the server).
- At last I am very grateful for the Gaim and OpenQ developers for providing a
- cool piece of software. I am quite happy with the functions of the OpenQ
- plugin. The developers have done great job. Thanks!
- timo
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- To:
- Timo Pykalainen <timo_pykalainen@hotmail.com>
- Cc:
- [email]zxj@gnuctt.net[/email], [email]gaim-devel@lists.sourceforge.net[/email]
- Date: 20 Apr 2004, 12:50:44 AM
- Subject: Re: [Gaim-devel] Re: Chinese Tencent QQ protocol?
- > I also though that the libqq was illegal because it broke the GPL not that
- > breaking some other laws.
- That's what I have gathered as well. But the original poster of this thread
- seem to have implied that libqq was illegal because of the way it's written.
- > However I think the general relationship between e.g. Gaim and some IM
- > protocol owner such as ICQ or Tencent QQ is more interesting. For instance
- > QQ provides the IM access for 'free' by delivering advertisments to the
- > users, so I think the gaim or the QQ-plugin could include an option to see
- > these advertisements, then the owners of the IM-protocols wouldn't have the
- > need to block out e.g. gaim users (in case they were so evil).
- >
- > I would like to see a framework for advertisement deliveries (of course an
- > optional plug-in or something). Anyway I suppose some people might even
- The companies don't care that users are not given the choice of seeing the
- ads, they care about the users who are not forced to see the ads.
- > want to see advertisements provided by the IM companies. Moreover users
- > could be 'forced' to see advertisements by the IM provider by including a
- > password or a code in the delivered advertisment messages that would
- > activate the IM account.
- Now, how can you sign on to see the ads? Don't you need a password?
- -khc
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- Date: 20 Apr 2004, 01:49:37 AM
- Subject: RE: [Gaim-devel] Re: Chinese Tencent QQ protocol?
- > I would like to see a framework for advertisement deliveries (of
- > course an optional plug-in or something). Anyway I suppose some
- > people might even want to see advertisements provided by the IM
- > companies. Moreover users could be 'forced' to see advertisements by
- > the IM provider by including a password or a code in the delivered
- > advertisment messages that would activate the IM account.
- I think that would be cool. I mean, I'm sure no one would use it... but I
- find it interesting.
- -Mark
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- Date: 21 Apr 2004, 12:56:36 AM
- Subject: Re: [Gaim-devel] Re: Chinese Tencent QQ protocol?
- >From: Ka-Hing Cheung <javabsp@javabsp.org>
- >To: Timo Pykalainen <timo_pykalainen@hotmail.com>
- >CC: [email]zxj@gnuctt.net[/email], [email]gaim-devel@lists.sourceforge.net[/email]
- >Subject: Re: [Gaim-devel] Re: Chinese Tencent QQ protocol?
- >Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 09:50:44 -0700
- >
- > > I also though that the libqq was illegal because it broke the GPL
- not that
- > > breaking some other laws.
- >
- >That's what I have gathered as well. But the original poster of this
- thread
- >seem to have implied that libqq was illegal because of the way it's
- written.
- >
- > > want to see advertisements provided by the IM companies. Moreover
- users
- > > could be 'forced' to see advertisements by the IM provider by
- including a
- > > password or a code in the delivered advertisment messages that
- would
- > > activate the IM account.
- >
- >Now, how can you sign on to see the ads? Don't you need a password?
- >
- I was thinking that the ads could be delivered to all the IM accounts but
- then the client software could decide wheter show it or not. So the ad
- message could include the recipents IM account number and automatically
- generated code (or even a picture) in the ad. Then the user would have to
- reply to the message by sending the code shown in the ad to the system
- account (in case the IM network provider is dependend on advertisment
- revenues) in order to 'activete' hers or his account.
- This kind of framework could provide means for companies to choose to use
- open source IM protocol and still making business by providing their
- services. Now they just might block out the users who doesn't use their
- client software. Besides I bet there would be several companies whou would
- like to engage in IM business, but they can't because of the few strong
- players in the market place.
- In fact I was think this kind of system would work in other areas as well
- such as DVDs (e.g. in China I saw that many movies had ads in them so that
- they could be sold cheaper) but with normal ads people are just passive and
- wait the ad pass by.
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- Date: 02 May 2004, 08:13:53 PM
- Subject: [Gaim-devel] Progress on QQ support
- Dear all,
- New to this list and greetings to all!
- I read on the dev site archive that there's been some recent discussion for
- QQ support by Gaim.
- Any more follow ups on this?
- I understand there was some concern by some that the code was reverse
- engineered. But how is that different to all the other codes that support
- AIM, MSN, Yahoo etc etc on Gaim and many other 3rd party clients?
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注:
在此之前还有我发的两封邮件,及他人的回复,但是很遗憾,没有能够保存下来,从后来回复的引用当中,应该可以看出其中的一部分。 |
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